1/2/2024: Smol tweaks to Smol Talk

The results are reflected in the summaries shown below. However it feels like they have lost information because our few shot examples were too short. We'd like to revise this whole pipeline to use function calling like god intended.

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OpenAI Discord Summary

The Search for AI Superiority: Detailed comparison among AI search engines, including Perplexity, Copilot, Bard, and Claude 2, mentioned by @jaicraft in ai-discussions, with Bard and Claude 2 falling second in the race.
Meta AI Steals the Show: Introduction of Meta AI, a chatbot by Meta (formerly Facebook), into the conversation with availability on both Instagram and Whatsapp, as shared by @thedreamakeem and @jaicraft.
Browsers Battle with ChatGPT: Numerous reports of multiple browser issues with OpenAI's ChatGPT ranging from persistent captchas with VPN usage to non-functioning plugins, found in the openai-chatter channel.
ChatGPT’s Personality Switch: Spirited exchanges in openai-questions about tuning ChatGPT's personality, divergent model capabilities, and workable solutions for software development support.
JSON vs. Markdown and YAML: Debates in gpt-4-discussions about the use of JSON, YAML, or Markdown for task-specific applications.
Prompt Engineering Puzzles: Complex discussions in prompt-engineering cover encounter paradoxes, uncovering model features and issues, and scripting for TikTok and SWOT analysis.
Unpacking the API: API-discussions unravels the paradox of "last seen", real-time data retrieval through Bing, script feeding, prompt construction techniques, and limits of text outputs in API implementations.

OpenAI Channel Summaries

▷ #ai-discussions (11 messages🔥):

Comparison of AI Search Engines: @jaicraft stated that Perplexity the AI-based search engine performed well. However, they also considered Copilot to be satisfactory, arguably outperforming Bard and Claude 2.
Request for Bard Update: @jaicraft expressed a desire to see Gemini Ultra incorporated into Bard Advanced. They appreciated Bard's personality, but felt the model could improve with this update.
Launch of Meta AI: @thedreamakeem announced the launch of Meta AI by Meta (formerly Facebook). Notably, this chatbot is currently operational on Instagram.
Meta AI on Whatsapp: In a follow-up conversation, @jaicraft noted that Meta AI is also available on Whatsapp.
Meta AI Image Generation: @thedreamakeem stated that Meta AI includes an image generation feature, which he likened to a free version of GPT.

▷ #openai-chatter (209 messages🔥🔥):

ChatGPT issues on multiple browsers: Users @rosyskull and @kilogamz reported issues with ChatGPT on multiple browsers including Opera GX, Firefox, and Edge. Even after clearing cache, using different devices and trying different network connections, the issue persisted. @satanhashtag suggested reaching out to help.openai.com and also posting in <#1070006915414900886> - OpenAI's specific channel for such enquiries.
ChatGPT information about itself is unreliable: Users @lugui and @beanz_and_rice discussed the unreliable nature of ChatGPT when it comes to providing information about itself, specifically its versions, upgrades, and capabilities. It was emphasised that ChatGPT often hallucinates or misrepresents this information. Discussion also clarified the different versions and terminology used in model names.
Issues with constant captchas when using VPN: User @thedeeplearningdummy raised an issue of constant captcha verifications whenever they access ChatGPT through a VPN connection. Esteemed theory among discussion is that VPNs can trigger security measures due to cache/IP masking, though the matter remains inconclusive.
Issues with AskYourPDF plug-in in GPT+: User @kez92. reported an issue with the plug-in “AskYourPDF” in GPT+, which ordinarily allows ChatGPT to process PDF files. Problem is, instead of allowing the upload of a PDF, it requests to copy and paste the information or provide a link, which is an abnormal behavior. No resolution was provided in the messages.
Irregular output and rapid usage cap hit with GPT3.5-turbo-1106: Multiple users reported issues with the GPT3.5-turbo-1106 model, including @minister_maximus who reported receiving gibberish output, and @Mr Gingerfish who claimed to have hit the usage cap after just four prompts. Others provided some theories, possible causes, and solutions, but issues appear to be ongoing and unresolved.

▷ #openai-questions (75 messages🔥🔥):

ChatGPT Inconsistently Nailing Personality Traits: @thefreebachelor and @solbus discuss the difficulty of tuning ChatGPT's personality. @thefreebachelor mentions that a knowledge file worked well for configuring an AI's profile picture but not its personality, expressing frustration that a long Reddit paragraph caused the model to become messy. @solbus suggests starting with a fresh GPT and manually editing the instructions to get closer to the desired outcome.
Conversation Limitations with GPT-4: Users @crafty.chaos, @paulh3911, and @darthgustav. discuss encountering limits to how long a conversation with GPT-4 can be. This question was raised after users reported reaching the error "conversation too long, please start a new one" during their chat session with the AI.
Technical Issues with ChatGPT: Users @ssk0746, @froggy_chacko, @bartomeu_70091_41043, @watchalls, and @solbus discuss technical issues they've encountered with the ChatGPT service. Issues include ChatGPT 4.0 not working with certain VPNs and issues with excessive verification puzzles. @bartomeu_70091_41043's issue with the human verification puzzles was temporarily resolved by not using a VPN with Firefox.
Usage of ChatGPT in Software Development Work: User @muhct presented a scenario, questioning the best way to use ChatGPT for a software development job without the employer knowing. Suggestions from @spyied and @michael_6138_97508 revolved around using alternative services like GitHub's Copilot and logging responsibilities for proprietary data protection.
Quiz on GPT-4's Message Cap Limit: @yomo42 queried group members whether "GPT-4 classic" has a higher message cap than regular GPT-4. @yomo42 added that they had learned the cap for custom GPT versions is 25 messages per 3 hours.

▷ #gpt-4-discussions (6 messages):

Considering YAML and Markdown over JSON: @sciandy suggested the possible use of YAML or Markdown as alternatives to JSON for certain tasks.
Request for Technical Assistance on Wordpress: @delightful_rabbit_60937 is seeking help in implementing a chatbot on their freelo WordPress using the Power AI plugin and wants it to provide a link on freelancer with relevant proficiency.
Benefits of JSON: @niko3757 stressed that JSON is the most effective way as it allows searching with keywords, effectively saving valuable tokens.
Return of missing GPT's: @loschess mentioned that all their missing GPT's have returned and wondered if anyone else experienced the same.

▷ #prompt-engineering (169 messages🔥🔥):

GPT-4's Paradoxical "Last Seen" Problem: @beanz_and_rice identifies a paradoxical issue in GPT-4 Preview when asking about the "last time X was seen". The model explained that this issue occurred due to the ambiguity of the term "last," which creates a conflict between the model's instruction to access historical data up until 2023 and the inherent implication of immediacy within the term. This discrepancy resulted in the model providing the most recent information within its established timeframe (pre-2023), which may diverge from the actual "last" occurrence beyond 2023.
Various Versions of GPT-4 and Their Features: The conversation uncovers various aspects of different GPT-4 versions. For example, GPT-4.0613 does not have the same issue with the "last seen" query as GPT-4 Preview does. Furthermore, @beanz_and_rice questions whether GPT-4 Turbo incorporates vision and whether GPT-4.1106 is capable of "seeing" images, with @madame_architect clarifying that Vision is a skill of GPT-4 Turbo.
GPT-4's Overreliance on Bing: Some users, particularly @beanz_and_rice, express dissatisfaction with GPT-4's tendency to lean on Bing for information retrieval despite its extensively trained dataset. @madame_architect rationalizes this behavior by indicating that GPT-4 is trained to use the Bing skill, consequently using real-time data from search results to enhance its responses.
Prompt-Engineering for TikTok Scripts and SWOT Analysis: @user691378 seeks advice on crafting a prompt for generating funny TikTok scripts with ChatGPT, to which @beanz_and_rice offers unique pseudo language. In contrast, @madame_architect presents a challenge to create prompts that generate SWOT analyses on technologies, citing superior results when prompting individually for strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats.
Challenges and Solutions for Modulating GPT-4's Output: Both @MishaMgla and @vangroovie grapple with issues in GPT-4's outputs. MishaMgla struggles with the need to limit response lengths without over-engineering the model and incurring extra costs. Acknowledging limitations, @rendo1 suggests setting token limitations via the API but warns of potential sentence cutoffs. @vangroovie reports issues with GPT inaccurately transposing speakers in customer service transcripts.

▷ #api-discussions (169 messages🔥🔥):

The Paradox of Last Seen: User @beanz_and_rice unearthed a paradox in GPT-4-Preview's response to a query involving the "last time X was seen." The chatbot described it as an ambiguous statement, explaining that as it has historical data up until 2023 but cannot access real-time updates, it doesn't have the capacity to determine the most recent occurrence of any event post-2023.
Bing Browsing and Its Role in API: User @beanz_and_rice analyzed that every time "real-time" info is requested, GPT-4-Preview tends to invoke the Bing search skill. @madame_architect further clarified that Bing isn't the entire dataset of the Internet, but rather a tool GPT uses to grab necessary data for specific tasks in real-time..
Utilizing GPT for Unique Tasks: User @user691378 initiated a discussion on force-feeding GPT custom-made scripts in an attempt to generate a funny texting video for TikTok.
Techniques for Constructing Effective Prompts: @madame_architect shared her experiences and methods for preparing effective prompts, which included reading numerous AI papers on prompting tactics and indulging in on-hand learning experiments with GPT.
Limits of Text Outputs: @MishaMgla voiced concerns about controlling the length and quality of output generated by GPT. They found that keeping the text's length within certain range required the generation of an additional response, thus incurring extra time and costs. Users proposed methods to limit the output length, although some of these methods might cause GPT to cut off text mid-sentence.

HuggingFace Discord Discord Summary

Show Me the Merges: Announcement of a new 'Show Merges' filter added to Open LLM Leaderboard, as initially suggested by the Stanford NLP Group, by @clefourrier, aiming to assist creators with incomplete metadata. Source Tweet
Low-Latency Inference: AutoAWQ, which allows running a Mixtral 8x7B MoE with Flash Attention 2 in ~24GB GPU VRAM and fast inference, announced by @reach_vb. Source Tweet
Whisper Guides Metal: Whisper on Metal now powered by the Rust programming language, as revealed by @reach_vb. Source Tweet
Helping Hands in Hugging Face: @RisingSayak spotlights useful response from @vipitis providing guidance to @ronny4002 interested in contributing to the Hugging Face's open-source projects. Contributing Guidelines
Real-Time Math Class: @osanseviero shares an informative blog post titled The Random Transformer, providing an end-to-end walkthrough of the mathematics within a transformer model.
Where Do We Go From Here?: Exploration of Task-Oriented LLM Systems' design parameters through the paper titled "The Tyranny of Possibilities in the Design of Task-Oriented LLM Systems: A Scoping Survey" discussed by @dhruvdh and @chad_in_the_house. Author's Link
Encouraging Tech Evolution: @apolinariosteps introduced the Advanced Training Script which combines successful techniques from the community for improved training capabilities. Release Tweet
Eyes on Visual Output: @wandereronarock references repository patrickvonplaten/controlnet_aux as an example of the visual output method they're discussing.
AI Bites into Boolean: Dialogue between @stroggoz and @ketul1842 revolved around generating boolean logic responses to prompts using encoder-decoder models or next sentence prediction strategies.

HuggingFace Discord Channel Summaries

▷ #announcements (1 messages):

Filter Merges on Open LLM Leaderboard: User @clefourrier announced a new Show Merges filter for the Open LLM Leaderboard and requested assistance to help model creators with incomplete metadata. The idea of a 'Show merges' filter was initially suggested by the Stanford NLP Group.
Enhanced Mixtral 8x7B with AWQ and Flash Attention 2: @reach_vb presented the latest release of AutoAWQ, which allows running a Mixtral 8x7B MoE with Flash Attention 2 in ~24GB GPU VRAM and fast inference. The user also provided a comprehensive guide to use this feature.
Whisper on Metal Powered by Rust: @reach_vb shared that the Whisper on Metal is now powered by the Rust programming language.
Utility Libraries by Hugging Face – ‘huggingface_hub’ and ‘accelerate’: @RisingSayak mentioned two non-modelling libraries by Hugging Face – huggingface_hub for integration with the Hub and accelerate to handle model inference.
DINOv2 Fine-tuning and Qwen Updated: User NielsRogge shared a tutorial on fine-tuning DINOv2 for image classification using the Hugging Face Trainer. Meanwhile, @JustinLin610 announced the update of Qwen-VL to Qwen-VL-Plus, improving capabilities like image captioning, visual question answering, visual grounding, OCR, and visual reasoning.

Links mentioned:

Tweet from Clémentine Fourrier 🍊 (@clefourrier): Just added a "Show merges" to filter out m...
Tweet from Vaibhav (VB) Srivastav (@reach_vb): Mixtral 8x7B Instruct with AWQ & Flash Attention 2...
Tweet from Vaibhav (VB) Srivastav (@reach_vb): fuck yeah! whisper on metal powered by rust 🦀 10...
Tweet from Sayak Paul (@RisingSayak): Hugging Face has non-modelling libraries that the ...
Transformers-Tutorials/DINOv2/Fine_tune_DINOv2_for_image_classification_[minimal].ipynb at master · NielsRogge/Transformers-Tutorials: This repository contains demos I made with the Tra...
Tweet from Junyang Lin (@JustinLin610): 📷🎨👀 https://huggingface.co/spaces/Qwen/Qwen-VL-...

▷ #general (167 messages🔥🔥):

AI for Legal applications: @caleb_sol shared a link of an article highlighting how AI can constitute a significant transformation in the field of law.
Consistent Delays in Inference Endpoints: @duplaja mentioned that he has been noticing persistent slowness of the Inference Endpoints to spin up from a pause, shared it in ask for help.
Contributing to Hugging Face: @ronny4002, a student, expressed interest in contributing to open-source projects of Hugging Face, particularly for code development and training dataset contributions focused on NLP/LLM. @vipitis guided him to the contributing guidelines on GitHub and advised looking into the Hugging Face course and docs for further insights.
Differences between torch_dtype=torch.float16 & variant="fp16" for from_pretrained: @felixsanz questioned the difference between torch_dtype=torch.float16 and variant="fp16" in from_pretrained function. @kyvarus and @jo_pmt_79880 provided the explanation that torch_dtype specifies the tensor's datatype and variant specifies the branch of the model repo. The discussion ended with @vipitis explaining that specifying the dtype will convert to the target datatype either way.
Performance Issues with Gradio: @tony_assi reported frequent bugs with Gradio, leading to daily issues. @cakiki suggested connecting with the Gradio team via specific channels or raising issues on GitHub.

Links mentioned:

Legaltech x AI: The Lightspeed View - Lightspeed Venture Partners
transformers/CONTRIBUTING.md at main · huggingface/transformers: 🤗 Transformers: State-of-the-art Machine Learning...
transformers/src/transformers/modeling_utils.py at aa4a0f8ef37eb5d42b4e3810f37e554585c90d41 · huggingface/transformers: 🤗 Transformers: State-of-the-art Machine Learning...

▷ #today-im-learning (6 messages):

Navigating HF Inference Endpoints: @duplaja shared their experience with learning around handler.py HF Inference Endpoints, but they admitted it's happening very, very slowly.
No Changes Made, Just Parameters Adjustment: @gag123 stated they did not change anything and were simply playing with the parameters.
MacOS Ease Surprises Windows User: @lawls.net, a backend software developer, expressed how they were surprised at the ease of using Python on MacOS as compared to Windows, leading them to purchase a M3 Max.
Advice on Learning Rate & Data dtype: @exponentialxp gave some tips, suggesting to increase the learning rate to 3e-4 and advising to set the data to dtype=torch.long.

▷ #cool-finds (3 messages):

Demystifying Transformers with Mathematics: User @osanseviero shared a link to his new blog post titled The Random Transformer. The post offers an end-to-end example of the mathematics within a transformer model, simplifying it for better understanding. The post recommends readers to also view The Illustrated Transformer for a more intuitive explanation of the transformer model. User @jo_pmt_79880 expressed appreciation, finding the post "Very informative".

Links mentioned:

hackerllama - The Random Transformer: Understand how transformers work by demystifying a...

▷ #i-made-this (3 messages):

Unleashing Conversational Power with AI Fusion: User @andysingal shared a blog post discussing the integration of LlamaIndex and Gemini to enhance AI capabilities.
Find Your Celebrity Look-alike with AI: @tony_assi developed an app that identifies celebrities that users look similar to.

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▷ #reading-group (12 messages🔥):

Exploring Task-Oriented LLM Systems: @dhruvdh shares a new paper titled "The Tyranny of Possibilities in the Design of Task-Oriented LLM Systems: A Scoping Survey". The paper examines the design parameters for task-oriented LLM systems and forms three conjectures, providing a starting point for future research. Find the paper here.
Paper Presentation Proposal: @chad_in_the_house recommends the paper shared by @dhruvdh for the week's presentation. @lunarflu confirms that it's a potential option and asks for any other suggestions.
Request for Help with RL Keras: @only_busy requests suggestions for libraries compatible with the new gymnasium of OpenAI as he encounters compatibility issues with RL Keras and OpenAI gym.
Reading Group Calendar: @swyxio expresses interest in a calendar to keep track of reading group sessions. @clock.work_ suggests checking if the group events are listed on Discord, and @chad_in_the_house suggests finding the information in Discord threads.
Easier Access to Past Presentations: @chad_in_the_house proposes sharing presentations on HuggingFace blog posts and Discord to increase availability of past presentations and potential presenters.

Links mentioned:

The Tyranny of Possibilities in the Design of Task-Oriented LLM Systems: A Scoping Survey: This scoping survey focuses on our current underst...
Reddit - Dive into anything

▷ #core-announcements (1 messages):

New Advanced Training Script Unveiled: User @apolinariosteps announced the maiden release of 2024, the Advanced Training Script. The script incorporates successful techniques used by the community, including Pivotal Tuning from cog-sdxl and the Prodigy Optimizer from kohya. The script is compatible with both AUTO1111 and ComfyUI and can be used via Google Colab, Hugging Face Spaces, or as a direct Python script. Release Tweet
Advanced Training Script Features: The script draws inspiration from the Pivotal Tuning technique used in Replicate's SDXL Cog trainer and the Prodigy optimizer from Kohya's trainer. It also features other optimizations promising effective results for SDXL Dreambooth LoRA fine tuning. Link to Blog
Platform Compatibility: The aforementioned script allows for varied use across different platforms. Users can execute the script on Google Colab, Hugging Face Spaces with a simple UI and custom parameters, or directly as a Python script.

Links mentioned:

Tweet from Linoy Tsaban🎗️ (@linoy_tsaban): Let's go 2024 🚀: 🆕 training script in 🧨 @d...
LoRA training scripts of the world, unite!

▷ #computer-vision (1 messages):

ControlNet_Aux Linked as Visual Output Example: @wandereronarock referred to the repository patrickvonplaten/controlnet_aux as an example of the output they believe is produced by the method they're discussing. The user noted their uncertainty due to not having used the method in a while.

Links mentioned:

GitHub - patrickvonplaten/controlnet_aux: Contribute to patrickvonplaten/controlnet_aux deve...

▷ #NLP (9 messages🔥):

Prompts to Propositions: @stroggoz and @ketul1842 discussed the idea of creating the correct boolean logic proposition from a given prompt. @stroggoz suggested this could be achieved using encoder-decoder models or next sentence prediction strategy.
OpenAI to HuggingFace Transition: User .oo92 shared a function using the OpenAI API to generate a knowledge graph based on input system message and file prompts, and expressed a struggle to mirror similar logic with HuggingFace's Bloom.
Web-Scraping for Datasets: @exponentialxp asked about the web-scraping techniques used in datasets like owt and c4. @cakiki clarified that C4 is a filtered version of the Common Crawl (CC), which crawls the web monthly.
GPU Recommendations: @exponentialxp also recommended checking karpathy/nanoGPT on GitHub for information on how to train models using multiple GPUs, and suggested Lambda as a good choice for GPU rental.

OpenAccess AI Collective (axolotl) Discord Summary

The TinyLlama MOE Experiment: @le_mess shared his early-stage Mixture of Experts (MoE) model using eight instances of TinyLlama. Fine-tuning details and a lively discussion on the LASER method for model performance enhancement were also highlighted. The LASER method, as described by @mihai4256, integrates with existing models, raising intrigue around potential overfitting.
Exploration of Mixtral and Axolotl: Deep dives into Mixtral and Axolotl implementation extended from suggestions for GitHub project use-cases, queries about prompt formatting in Axolotl, and support for SFT. Advice on training Mistral with qlora, shared by @noobmaster29, steered the dialogue towards maintaining focused conversations in developer channels.
Training FAQs and Troubleshooting Tips and Tricks: In the general-help channel, users discussed improving diversity in model responses, encountered index-out-of-bound issues during training, analyzed LoRA configurations, and broke down scoring methods for Hellaswag. The discovery of a discrepancy between Hugging Face tokenizer and the Sentencepiece original implementation spurred further conversation.
New and Noteworthy Dataset Debut: @cf0913 introduced a synthetic code dataset DevSpecCode for complex multi-requirement code generation instructions. Feedback was sought for this dataset hosted on huggingface.co. The dataset includes intricate instructions for code generation.
Roleplay Datasets and Discussions on Fine-Tuning: Delving into roleplay datasets, @nruaif shared access to sensitive content and potential for more. Additionally, there was a debate on the preferred dataset selection for fine-tuning, comparing redpajama-v2 with slimpajama, with a focus on quality filtering.

OpenAccess AI Collective (axolotl) Channel Summaries

▷ #general (63 messages🔥🔥):

MOE using 8x TinyLLama: @le_mess created an MoE (Mixture of Experts) model using eight instances of TinyLlama. It's in the early evaluation phase and may require further training to outperform its components. The work was done using the mergekit mixtral branch.
LASER discussion: Various community members discuss the LASER method to improve model performance by removing higher-order components of models' MLP layers. @mihai4256 shared his experimentation with LASER on models and mentioned a straightforward integration of LASER with existing models using a Python package, provided the models can be loaded in Hugging Face's Transformers. @nafnlaus00 expressed interest in the LASER method's potential overfitting.
Tokenizer Website Query: @yamashi asked for a website URL that compares tokenization results across different tokenizers. The website's purpose is to provide visualizations of tokenizations.
Training and Finetuning Discussions: Various community members (notably @nafnlaus00, @noobmaster29, and @le_mess) made remarks on training and finetuning models, including mentions of dropout + LR metaparameter tweaking and MoE model training.
Comparison of Fine-tuning Methods: @jaredquek shared a paper detailing the performance comparisons among different fine-tuning methods across scales and tasks. The paper found that full-parameter fine-tuning (FFT) generally delivers the best performance across all scales, while the performance trade-offs of parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT) methods noticeably vary based on model scale. One method, LoRA, was typically found to offer a favorable balance between cost and performance.

Links mentioned:

The Truth Is In There: Improving Reasoning in Language Models with Layer-Selective Rank Reduction
Paper page - Astraios: Parameter-Efficient Instruction Tuning Code Large Language Models
mhenrichsen/tinymix-8x1b · Hugging Face
GitHub - open-compass/MixtralKit: A toolkit for inference and evaluation of 'mixtral-8x7b-32kseqlen' from Mistral AI: A toolkit for inference and evaluation of &#39...
GitHub - cg123/mergekit at mixtral: Tools for merging pretrained large language models...
mhenrichsen: Weights & Biases, developer tools for machine lear...
Mihaiii/Pallas-0.5-LASER-0.1 · Hugging Face
GitHub - pratyushasharma/laser: The Truth Is In There: Improving Reasoning in Language Models with Layer-Selective Rank Reduction: The Truth Is In There: Improving Reasoning in Lang...

▷ #axolotl-dev (9 messages🔥):

GitHub project shared for potential Mixtral use: @casper_ai shared a link to a GitHub project titled "PyTorch bindings for CUTLASS grouped GEMM", suggesting that it could be used for Mixtral.
Query about Axolotl's support for SFT: @mrfakename_ inquired if Axolotl supports SFT. @noobmaster29 confirmed that it does, mentioning that lora/qlora is SFT.
Discussion on prompt format usage in Axolotl: @mrfakename_ also asked about the possibility to use the Zephyr prompt format. @noobmaster29 responded that it might require self-setup.
Recommended training for Mistral with qlora: @builderx posed a question about using qlora to train mistral on a dataset of 15k rows, asking if three epochs would suffice. @noobmaster29 confirmed that three epochs should be fine and suggested watching the eval loss. However, they also recommended using the help channels for such questions to keep the axolotl-dev channel clear for developers.

Links mentioned:

GitHub - imoneoi/cutlass_grouped_gemm: PyTorch bindings for CUTLASS grouped GEMM.: PyTorch bindings for CUTLASS grouped GEMM. Contrib...

▷ #general-help (33 messages🔥):

Shuffling data during preprocessing suggested for diversity: A discussion arose about enhancing the diversity of model responses. While @casper_ai suggested adding more diverse data, they also recommended shuffling the data during preprocessing.
Index out of bounds issue during training: User @matanvetzler experienced a RuntimeError with CUDA during training due to an 'index out of bounds' issue. The error seems to occur when the model dimensions don't match the tokenizer size. This was pointed out by @bjoernp.
Question about LoRA configurations brought up: @tcapelle asked whether lora_target_linear should be set to False when targeting modules with LoRA configurations, providing a link to an example on GitHub for reference.
Clarification on scoring methods for Hellaswag: @le_mess asked about the correct scoring method for Hellaswag, and @suikamelon clarified that acc_norm (normalized scores) are typically used. They provided a link to the HuggingFace OpenLLM leaderboard as an example of this use.
Discrepancy between Huggingface tokenizer and original Sentencepiece implementation noted: User @emperor mentioned a discrepancy where the transformers/AutoTokenizer was not providing the same results as the original Sentencepiece representation. They shared code examples to illustrate the differences.

Links mentioned:

Open LLM Leaderboard - a Hugging Face Space by HuggingFaceH4
axolotl/examples/mistral/qlora.yml at main · OpenAccess-AI-Collective/axolotl: Go ahead and axolotl questions. Contribute to Open...

▷ #datasets (1 messages):

Seeking Feedback on Specialized Dataset: @cf0913 has created a detailed synthetic code dataset for complex multi-requirement code generation instructions. They seek feedback on the dataset named DevSpecCode, which is hosted on huggingface.co. The dataset instructions include intricate requirements, limitations, and instructions for code generation. An example provided is about writing a safe concurrent function in Go. The dataset is available at this link.

Links mentioned:

cfahlgren1/DevSpecCode · Datasets at Hugging Face

▷ #shearedmistral (8 messages🔥):

Roleplay Datasets Shared for "Not-For-All-Audiences": @nruaif shared links to two roleplay datasets, rpguild and bluemoon-fandom-1-1-rp-cleaned, from huggingface.co that contain sensitive content.
Potential to Access More Roleplay Data: @nruaif also offered that more roleplay data could be provided if needed, hinting at an availability of half a terabyte of data.
Discussion about Fine-Tuning Strategy for Mixtral: @tcapelle asked about the use of specific json file zero3_bf16.json from GitHub for fine-tuning the Mixtral model.
Debate on Data Selection between Redpajama-v2 and Slimpajama: @xzuyn suggested using redpajama-v2 instead of slimpajama data. However, @caseus_ pointed out that the continued pretraining might not require a large amount of data, citing the Sheared llama paper that only used 50B more tokens. They advocated for the quality filtering present in slimpajama.

Links mentioned:

axolotl/deepspeed/zero3_bf16.json at transformers-update-mixtral · OpenAccess-AI-Collective/axolotl: Go ahead and axolotl questions. Contribute to Open...
chargoddard/rpguild · Datasets at Hugging Face
Squish42/bluemoon-fandom-1-1-rp-cleaned · Datasets at Hugging Face

Perplexity AI Discord Summary

Model Choices - Perplexity vs GPT-4 vs Claude 2.1: Users on the server engaged in discussions on the best AI models to use, as @prolapsedgod struggled deciding between the Perplexity Experimental model and the GPT-4 model. @hynjia chimed in revealing their tendency to switch between GPT-4 and Claude 2.1.
The Intricate Mixtral Parameters: @.hackit sparked interest as he inquired about the parameters of mixtral-8x7b-instruct with intentions of recreating it with the rest-API.
'HOLIDAYS23' Coupon Chaos: The use of the 'HOLIDAYS23' Pro membership coupon code triggered intensive discussions with participation from numerous users (@nightpearl62, @icelavaman, @jonathanonymous, @ok.alex, @danielagmz888, and @ashley__9910). Problems encountered ranged from the link's functionality to applying the code, with responses recommending methods like subscribing via Plexity.ai, trying via mobile web, and contacting support.
Image Generation within Perplexity - A Visual Stimulus?: @araf@ and @archient probed into the benefits of image generation within Perplexity. The discussion revolved around its role in enhancing visual engagement and serving as a creative stimulant.
Plead for Mistral-Medium in Pro Accounts: @Rehnn suggested the integration of the Mistral-Medium model into Pro accounts, praising its speed and reduced hallucinations based on their playground tests. @reflext agreed with this proposal.
Payment Woes across Borders: @ashley__9910 from Germany experienced difficulties with payment methods. Despite trying GPay on an Android phone, the problem persisted. @icelavaman advised reaching out to [email protected] for help with the Stripe-related issue.
Perplexity's Data Collection and Model Information: @maxxflyer drew attention to Perplexity's FAQ, highlighting its data collection practices around API usage and user account info. They also commented that, according to a Perplexity blog post, the pplx-7b-online and pplx-70b-online models use public data and data from their search index.
Broken Discord Invite Link & Military Boarding History: The faulty Discord invite link on Perplexity's page was spotlighted by @maxxflyer. In another conversation, @jpa expressed curiosity about military boarding history, referring to Perplexity's Search for further exploration.
API and Channel Confusion: A preference for model sorting installment was proposed by @paul16307 with a wish to arrange Mistral models from the least to most powerful ones. As @monish0612 made enquiries on a possible online LLM with Mistral API, he was guided towards the pplx-7b-chat by @icelavaman. Channel sorting was also a point of discussion as users were redirected to appropriate channels for distinct topics.

Perplexity AI Channel Summaries

▷ #general (82 messages🔥🔥):

Choosing the Right AI Model: @prolapsedgod posed a question about which model to use, indicating that they find it tough to decide between the Perplexity Experimental model and the GPT-4 model. @hynjia joined the conversation and noted that they usually switch between GPT-4 and Claude 2.1.
Query about Mixtral parameters: User @.hackit raised a question to understand the parameters of mixtral-8x7b-instruct attempting to recreate it with the rest-API.
Interaction about 'HOLIDAYS23' Pro Membership Coupon: A discussion about applying the 'HOLIDAYS23' Pro membership coupon code took place, with @nightpearl62, @icelavaman, @jonathanonymous, @ok.alex, @danielagmz888, and @ashley__9910 participating. Users raised issues about the link's functionality and applying the code, with replies suggesting methods like subscribing via Plexity.ai, trying via mobile web, and reaching out to support.
Inherent Benefits and Questions about Image Generation in Perplexity: @arafay and @archient had an insightful discussion around the usage and benefits of image generation in Perplexity. They reflected on its visual engagement aspects and its potential as a creative stimulant.
Interest in Incorporating the 'Mistral-Medium' Model for Pro Accounts: @Rehnn suggested the inclusion of the Mistral-Medium model in Pro accounts based on their tests in the playground, remarking on its speed and decreased hallucinations. @reflext agreed with the idea.
Payment Challenges for European User: @ashley__9910 from Germany faced challenges with payment methods with the advice to try using GPay on an Android phone not working. @icelavaman recommended reaching out to [email protected] for assistance regarding the Stripe related issue.

Links mentioned:

Perplexity Pro: Enjoy 2 free months of Perplexity Pro or $40 off o...

Perplexity AI Collects API and User Information: @maxxflyer pointed to the FAQ of Perplexity AI, which says that the organization collects information related to API usage data and User's account information such as name, email address, etc.
Perplexity's pplx-7b-online and pplx-70b-online Models Use Public Data: @maxxflyer mentioned that the pplx-7b-online and pplx-70b-online models of Perplexity use public data and data from their search index, and referred to a Perplexity blog post for more information.
Faulty Discord Invite on Perplexity Page: @maxxflyer pointed out that the Discord invite on Perplexity's page is not working.
Jpa's Curiosity about Military Boarding History: @jpa asked a question about the history of why the military boards first on aircraft and provided a link to Perplexity's search for more details.
Channel Sorting Discussion: @icelavaman told @maxxflyer to use a different channel, and @ok.alex guided @504076886268313616 and @1179797683167309926 towards the appropriate channel for their respective discussions.

Links mentioned:

Frequently Asked Questions

▷ #pplx-api (3 messages):

Model Organization Suggestion: @paul16307 proposed to sort the Mistral models in the dropdown from the least powerful to the most powerful ones.
Query on Online LLM with Mistral API: @monish0612 questioned if there's Mistral API available with online LLM, to which @icelavaman responded affirmatively providing the name "pplx-7b-chat".

LAION Discord Summary

Google's T2I versus DALL·E-3: A Showdown: Google's T2I tool elicited mixed reviews. Some users lauded its fidelity and lack of overfitting, while others criticized its over-censorship and less prompt adherence. Reddit links were shared for more insights, and users suggested creating shared prompts from the guild. "Google Lab Experiments looks far superior to..."
AI Training Copyright under Japanese Law: The group examined an article discussing Japan's copyright laws which currently permit unrestricted AI training with legal datasets. However, caution was sounded by members regarding ongoing lobbying which may alter that landscape. "Japan goes all in, copyright doesn't apply to AI training..."
Wildcard Concepts for a Bigger, Better Dataset: A new methodology was suggested, involving each existing CLIP keyword for synthesizing a large data set. The proposed concept envisioned utilization of Language Models for merging varied concepts.
SynCLR: The Future is Synthetic: A research called SynCLRt, which exclusively utilizes synthetic images and captions for visual representation learning without using real data, was shared and recognized as a potential realization of the wildcard concept idea.
A New Wave in High-Quality Text Embeddings: Members shared and discussed an arxiv paper outlining a method to achieve high-quality text embeddings with synthetic data, employing LLMs to create a range of synthetic data and to fine-tune open-source decoder-only LLMs.
Performance of MSE in Classifier-free Guidance: Mean Squared Error was recognized to perform better in Classifier-free Guidance. Other models, such as training with perceptual losses, were assessed as costlier.
Self-perceptual Objective versus Diffusion Models: A thoughtful debate was held on using pretrained models as feature extractors for a perceptual loss, orbiting a paper proposing a self-perceptual objective, capable of producing more realistic images, yet decreasing performance upon repeated iterations.

LAION Channel Summaries

▷ #general (49 messages🔥):

Google's Text-to-Image Platform Stuns: User @SegmentationFault initially raved over Google's new T2I tool Google Lab Experiments, comparing it favorably over DALL·E-3 in terms of image fidelity and lack of overfitting. However, users including @thejonasbrothers and @nodja pointed out its limitations, including less adherence to prompts than DALL·E-3 and blocking certain types of content including certain human-related images.
Sharing Generated Images: @nodja brought up the idea of generating shared prompts and users suggested generating prompts from a pre-determined channel for comparison. Additional images were shared as users tested the system.
Restrictive Blockage in Image Generation: Google's T2I platform reportedly blocked certain types of content at either the prompt level or image level, particularly around topics related to humans, according to @nodja. User .undeleted criticized this decision, questioning the value of the system if it refuses even to generate standard content.
Sharing T2I Insights: @SegmentationFault recommended checking out /r/dalle2 and /r/weirddalle on Reddit for more posts regarding T2I and provided a link to r/ImagenAI, even though it was less active at the time.
AI Training Copyright in Japan: User @vrus0188 shared an article about Japan's stance on copyright and AI training and its potential impact on machine translation. @peacekeeper8310 clarified that this stance stemmed from a 2018 law allowing for unrestricted training of ML models with legal datasets but cautioned that this could change due to ongoing lobbying efforts.

Links mentioned:

Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply To AI Training | BIIA.com | Business Information Industry Association
Tweet from Zumer (@zumersultana): Google can now generate high-quality AI images. A...
Try experiments in Search Labs

▷ #research (34 messages🔥):

Synthesizing CLIP dataset with wildcard concepts: @SegmentationFault suggested the idea of synthesizing a large dataset using each existing CLIP keyword. The proposed concept involved utilizing Language Models (LLMs) for merging different concepts.
SynCLR as potential realization of segmentationfault's idea: @rom1504 shared a research by _Akhaliq called SynCLR, that learns visual representations exclusively from synthetic images and synthetic captions, without any real data utilization.
Exploration of high-quality text embeddings with synthetic data: @thejonasbrothers and @mkaic discussed the simple but effective method of obtaining high-quality text embeddings with synthetic data and less than 1k training steps that was outlined in an arxiv paper. The method leverages LLMs to produce diverse synthetic data and fine tune open-source decoder-only LLMs.
Discussion on perceptual loss in diffusion models: @nodja, @mkaic, and @clock.work_ had an engaging discussion on using pretrained models as feature extractors for their own perceptual loss. Their discussion orbited around a paper proposing a self-perceptual objective that could generate more realistic images, though iterating this method seems to decrease performance.
MSE performs better with Classifier-free Guidance: @thejonasbrothers pointed out that Mean Squared Error (MSE) works better with Classifier-free Guidance (CFG). Other possibilities, such as training with perceptual losses, were considered to be more expensive.

Links mentioned:

Improving Text Embeddings with Large Language Models: In this paper, we introduce a novel and simple met...
Tweet from AK (@_akhaliq): Learning Vision from Models Rivals Learning Vision...
Diffusion Model with Perceptual Loss: Diffusion models trained with mean squared error l...
Q-Align: Teaching LMMs for Visual Scoring via Discrete Text-Defined Levels: The explosion of visual content available online u...

LM Studio Discord Summary

"Old School Cool in Pascal": A humorous exchange about using old-school Pascal language featured a gist link to an OpenAI unit written in Pascal shared by @psipiai.
"Troubleshooting in Action with LMStudio": Technical discussions revolving around LMStudio's performance, with @malte0621 experiencing significant slowdowns with Vision models which were resolved by managing VRAM spillover and properly handling CPU threads.
"Decode the Models!": Curious queries related to differences between specific LMStudio models, namely, dolphin-2.6-mistral-7b-dpo and dolphin-2.5-mixtral-8x7b, and how to load Hugging Face models. Replying to these, @fabguy clarified that only GGUF format models are compatible with LMStudio and provided hardware requirement advice for the Mixtral model.
"The Code Translator Conundrum": @xenorhon initiated a question about ideal models for code translation tasks. The conversation culminated with a suggestion for the tinyllama model by @usizu, following @fabguy's advice on combining traditional methods with LLMs for optimal outcomes.
"Taming the Tiny Llama": Model-related issues arose in the models-discussion-chat, with @macaulj struggling with the unruly Tiny Llama 2 model. Suggestions included trying out the Mixtral 8X7B model, and recommended models for memory-constrained setups like Mistral 7B Q4 or Zephyr Beta.
"Feedback Channel Police": User @heyitsyorkie providing a clear reminder of the Discord channel rules, emphasizing the proper use of the feedback channel for discussions related to LMStudio.
"Hardware Spec Talks and Benchmark Shares": A lively hardware discussion featuring an assessment of a specific eBay hardware configuration by @leviticus_slow and advice on GPU alternatives by @nixthefolf. Additionally, speculation on Nvidia's future plans by @kess4747 and sharing benchmarks by @discgolfvalife. New user @dantefortal requested assistance with a TinyLlama installation error.

LM Studio Channel Summaries

▷ #💬-general (52 messages🔥):

OpenAI Unit in Pascal: @psipiai shared a gist link featuring OpenAI Unit in Pascal. The post joked about the use of the old-school Pascal language, implying even vintage coding has its moments of glory.
LMStudio Performance Inquiry: @malte0621 reported a significant slowdown when using Vision models on LMStudio. Following a detailed discussion with @fabguy, the issue was resolved by managing VRAM spillover and handling CPU threads correctly.
Mixing Models in LMStudio: @vanthryn was curious about the output quality and capabilities difference between dolphin-2.6-mistral-7b-dpo and dolphin-2.5-mixtral-8x7b models, with the aim to decide between integral loading of Mistral 7b or partial loading of Mixtral 8x7b onto GPU memory. @heyitsyorkie warned against using Mixtral unless one has requisite hardware specs (at least 20GB vram).
Loading Hugging Face Models into LMStudio: @usizu queried loading hugging face models into LMStudio and wanting to try the OpenPipe/mistral-ft-optimized-1227 model. @fabguy clarified that only models in GGUF format are compatible with LMStudio. Furthermore, typing the model name directly can bypass the URL filter for non-compatible models.
Code Translation Suggestions: @xenorhon sparked a discussion seeking recommendations for models to perform code translation tasks. @fabguy advised that best results come from combining traditional methods like parsers and grammars with LLMs, rather than using only LLMs. The discussion ended with @usizu suggesting the tinyllama model for consideration.

Links mentioned:

OpenPipe/mistral-ft-optimized-1227 · Hugging Face
Snoop Dogg Dre GIF - Snoop Dogg Dre Riding - Discover & Share GIFs: Click to view the GIF
OPEN AI Unit. in Pascal. Also works for other compatible stuff like LMstudio, Firemonkey cross platfrom test app attached: OPEN AI Unit. in Pascal. Also works for other comp...
TheBloke/mistral-ft-optimized-1227-GGUF · Hugging Face

▷ #🤖-models-discussion-chat (9 messages🔥):

Trouble taming Tiny Llama 2: @macaulj reported having issues with the Tiny Llama 2 model, saying it's generating random stuff and not listening to inputs.
Recommended Models: @kess4747 advised @macaulj to try out the Mixtral 8X7B Instruct v0.1 model by Mistral AI, claiming to have gotten better results from it.
Memory limits for models: @macaulj states they only have 8 or 16 GB of memory to work with, which @fabguy responded to by suggesting the Mistral 7B Q4 or Zephyr Beta models, purported to deliver adequate performance within this memory limit.
Deepseek Chat template query: @nvn.osto enquired about the recommended template for Deepseek Chat 67B. According to @heyitsyorkie, the default lm studio preset works fine with these models.

Links mentioned:

TheBloke/Mixtral-8x7B-Instruct-v0.1-GGUF · Hugging Face

▷ #🧠-feedback (1 messages):

A Clear Reminder of Channel Rules: User @heyitsyorkie reminded the community that this channel, 🧠-feedback, is specifically for discussing feedback related to LMStudio. For other discussions, appropriate channels include <#1111440136287297637>, <#1128339362015346749>, <#1111649100518133842>, and <#1139405564586229810> for bugs and <#1185646847721742336> and <#1110598183144399061> for model advice and chat respectively.

▷ #🎛-hardware-discussion (10 messages🔥):

Hardware Spec Discussion: @leviticus_slow shared hardware details from an eBay listing and asked if dual Tesla M10s in a PowerEdge R730 with dual E5-2697v3s was a good purchase. @nixthefolf responded that the M10s were not the best choice due to their age and lower performance, suggesting a more current Tesla P40 or a used 3090 as alternatives.
Speculating on Nvidia's Future Plans: @kess4747 expressed hope for the return of nvlink in future Nvidia graphic card models, such as the speculated 5090.
Benchmarks Shared: @discgolfvalife shared detailed specifications and benchmark results for a variety of AI models he tested on his ASUS G17 laptop using LM Studio V 0.2.10. He also shared a detailed test prompt and asked for tips or advice. @doderlein responded with the results from a test he ran on two OpenChat models using the same test prompt.
Trouble With TinyLlama: New user @dantefortal encountered an issue while attempting to install TinyLlama, sharing an error message that stated his processor did not support AVX2 instructions, and asked for assistance.

Links mentioned:

Nvidia Tesla M10 32GB 180-12405-DAAB-A01 GDDR5 GPU | eBay

Mistral Discord Summary

Mixing it up with Mixtral: Users express disappointment with Mixtral's output being more censored than expected. The identity of Mistral models, such as "mistral-tiny", is revealed and suggestions for clearer documentation are shared. Functional Python code is offered for using the Mistral API. Last but not least, the feasibility of running models on a Raspberry Pi sparks curiosity.
Docker & Memory, A Tragic Love Story: The frequent CUDA out-of-memory issue rears its ugly head again, even with a powerful machine. A need for detailed instructions for running Mistral locally surfaces. The mystery of the necessary API URL is unsolved. Raspberry Pi makes another appearance as the subject of feasibility discussions for running AI models.
Text Cleaning Drama: Users express the need for robust text cleaning solutions, especially for large and messy corpuses like scanned books. The limitations of out-of-box solutions are discussed, with the suggestion of tailored ETL or LT operations. Recommended libraries like pandas, opencv, and PIL bring hope.
Channel Contact Conundrum: Users query about updates and seek guidance on contacting maintainers, but the conversation lacks context to provide further insight.

Mistral Channel Summaries

▷ #general (50 messages🔥):

Mixtral not as uncensored as expected: Users @meyelo and @hexdigest discussed their experiences with the output of Mixtral, expressing disappointment that it was not as uncensored as they initially believed. They reported getting "do not break TOS" messages and unable to get responses to certain prompts even when using the API with safe mode turned off.
Revealing the true identities of Mistral models: In response to questions from @juliandarley, @i_am_dom clarified that Mistral 7b is referred to as "mistral-tiny" and Mixtral is "mistral-small" in the API. The community seemed to share a sentiment that clearer naming in the documentation could reduce confusion.
Practical code for using Mistral API: In response to a request from @refik0727, @i_am_dom shared functional Python code that uses the Mistral API to chat with chosen models like "mistral-medium", showing both non-streaming and streaming responses.
How to tell Mistral to follow specific rules: @unknownperson2156 asked for advice on instructing Mistral models to follow specific rules to ensure shorter generated texts and rule compliance. Suggestions given by @hexdigest included simplifying instructions and reducing the temperature parameter.
AI on Raspberry Pi feasibility: @kaigenji inquired about the feasibility of running Mistral models on a Raspberry Pi or similar Single Board Computer for IoT purposes, but was redirected to a different channel by @hexdigest.

Links mentioned:

Client code | Mistral AI Large Language Models: We provide client codes in both Python and Javascr...
metal : optimize ggml_mul_mat_id (faster Mixtral PP) by ggerganov · Pull Request #4725 · ggerganov/llama.cpp: Add new mat-mat kernel for ggml_mul_mat_id which f...

▷ #models (1 messages):

cavoi9205: /im

▷ #deployment (8 messages🔥):

CUDA Out of Memory Issue: @pastillafit experienced a CUDA out-of-memory error when trying to run a Docker command for Mistral. Despite having a machine with GeForce 4090, AMD 7950X3D, and 64GB RAM, they received an error indicating the GPU capacity was exhausted. User @hanschrs informed that the user's VRAM at 24GB isn't enough and also suggested using the quantized version via ollama.
Detailed Process Needed to Run Mistral Locally: @kartik.07 is looking for instructions on how to run Mistral locally on a computer, specifically through the command line, without relying on ML Studio or similar software.
API URL Query: @macadelic4982 asked for the API URL needed to use in a chat backend.
Feasibility Query about Running on Raspberry Pi: @kaigenji queried about the feasibility of running models on a Raspberry Pi for an IoT assistant project. They required a light enough model that won't overheat Raspberry Pis or similar single-board computers (SBCs).

▷ #finetuning (2 messages):

In Search of Text Cleaning Solutions: @_b_r. is looking for a solid pipeline or script for text cleaning and pre-processing, particularly for a corpus of scanned books with lots of page numbers and typos.
Custom ETL May Be Required: @duck suggests that many off-the-shelf scripts might not be sufficient for the task, indicating that there could be a need for tailored ETL or LT operations.
Tools for Cleaning Structured Files: @duck recommends libraries like pandas for cleaning more straightforward formats like .csv and .txt files.
Use Google for Finding Tools: @duck advises _b_r. to Google phrases like 'python clean unstructured pdf's' to find tools that others might be using to clean that type of data/format.
Image-to-Text Libraries: @duck brings up opencv and PIL as potential libraries for converting image to text, which might be relevant when dealing with unstructured data from books.

▷ #la-plateforme (3 messages):

Query about an update: User @jakobdylanc asked about the estimated time of arrival (ETA) on two unspecified changes.
Seeking contact with maintainer: @carloszela wanted to know if this channel is the right place to contact a maintainer.

Eleuther Discord Summary

Eleuther Celebrates the Year's Victories: Eleuther's achievements over the past year, including its official establishment, were celebrated and announced by @stellaathena in the #announcements channel. New minor announcement and social events role tags were also implemented. A link to the community survey was shared.
Code Clipping and Model Juggling: In the #general channel, @nate.dawgg promoted a VSCode extension for code suggestion which enhances local code development. Discussion on potential interleavings between self-attention and SSM blocks, the order of checkpoints in Pythia Model training, and the merits and demerits of using the Lion optimizer was brought up. Specifically, user @ricklius mentioned an optimizer paper for reference.
From Publishing Mysteries to New Optimizers: In the #research channel, potential journals to publish LLM bias characterization studies were suggested, a performance question between Mistral 7b and GPT2 300m was addressed, and MAMBA's benefits were dissected. In terms of other inquiries, there were also recommendations for frameworks to run large data inferencing, such as DeepSpeed Inference, and guidance for new server members like @rabiussany.
Revamping the Evaluation System: The #lm-thunderdome channel manufactured a dialogue on an issue regarding More Flexible Answer Extraction Code where @hailey_schoelkopf argued for a possible two-score system for evaluative tasks, thus opening the conversation to the larger community.
Illuminating Image Inference with DiffusionLight: In the #multimodal-general channel, @supasornae flashed light on the introduction of DiffusionLight, a lighting estimation technique, along with the paper, official page, and the Hugging Face Model for further reference.

Eleuther Channel Summaries

▷ #announcements (1 messages):

Ring in the New Year with Eleuther: The @everyone announcement by @stellaathena celebrated Eleuther's accomplishments in the past year, including becoming a legal entity, writing over 40 papers, and advising world leaders on AI regulation.
Expanded Role Tags: @stellaathena notes that while @everyone is used for major announcements, there are other specific tag roles for minor announcements and social events. Some of these roles were accidentally deleted and thus removed from members - @stellaathena prompted members to double check if they are still subscribed to the roles they want.
Change of Role Name: To avoid confusion, the looking-for-work role has been renamed to <@&1051750303843749929>.
Channel Shuffling and Addition: A series of channel updates has been announced which includes moving channel <#795089627089862656> under the Other Modalities heading, creation of two new channels <#1181279677004910662> and <#1179031436704096327> under the same heading, and generalization of the "math-and-ai" channel to <#1110611369574793306>.
Community Survey and Newsletter: @stellaathena shared a link to their semi-annual community survey and announced the start of a quarterly newsletter that summarizes Eleuther's work. Members can sign up for the newsletter via the community survey.

▷ #general (20 messages🔥):

Nate Dawgg's VSCode Extension for Code Suggestion: User @nate.dawgg shared a link to a GitHub project for a VSCode extension that supports faux pilot for local model serving.
Possible Interleaving in Self-Attention and SSM blocks: @thooton suggested the interleaving of self-attention and SSM blocks, similar to striped hyena operations.
Order of Checkpoints in Pythia Model Training: @stellaathena clarified to @wolferk that in Pythia model training, checkpoint numbers like step11000 are later than lower numbers like step10900. The confusion may arise because HuggingFace's UI displays them in alphabetical order.
Discussion on the Lion Optimizer: Users @sentialx and @ravnabergsndot discussed the advantages and disadvantages of using the Lion optimizer. It was noted that while Lion optimizer might potentially affect 8-bit quantization, it converges about as well as Adam and may save some memory. A link to the Sophia optimizer paper was also referenced by @ricklius.
Variable Performance of Lion Optimizer in LLMs and ViTs: @frazermc shared personal experience of testing Lion optimizer, stating that while performance in LLMs was undetermined, it worked really well for ViT and potentially many encoder models like Bert.

Links mentioned:

GitHub - CodedotAl/code-clippy-vscode: VSCode extension for code suggestion: VSCode extension for code suggestion. Contribute t...

▷ #research (31 messages🔥):

Seeking for Suitable Journals for LLM Bias Research: User @bluerune is finishing up a paper on LLM bias characterization and sought suggestions on which journals to consider for publishing. @stellaathena recommends NLP venues, ACL, ICLR, COLT, and AISTATS.
Performance Comparison between Mistral 7b and GPT2 300m: @sehaj.dxstiny raised a question about whether Mistral 7b would outperform GPT2 300m upon fine-tuning with a slightly smaller dataset. @thooton responded, stating that bigger models are generally better and more sample-efficient than smaller models, sharing his experience of achieving 1.2-1.3 validation loss with Mistral fine-tuning.
Understanding MAMBA's Breakthrough: @swaystar123 asked about the breakthrough with MAMBA, @_inox explained that MAMBA allows for O(L) versus O(L^2), where L is the length of the sequence. However, @salmon_lemon asked whether the perplexity performance drops as L increases, with _inox clarifying it's not guaranteed to decrease or increase.
Seeking Offline Model Inference Framework Suggestions: @alexspangher asked for recommendations on the preferred framework for running offline model inference on large amounts of data. Several were tried including Ray, huggingface datasets, huggingface accelerate, and pyspark/sparknlp. Stellaathena recommended DeepSpeed Inference.
Welcome and Engagement Guidance for New Member: @rabiussany, a new member of the server expressed his interest in participating in research. @alexanderrgriffing suggested that newbies should explore channels, find projects they like and send pull requests on the GitHub of these projects. @hailey_schoelkopf advised checking out the server's threads for ongoing projects and discussions.

▷ #lm-thunderdome (1 messages):

Flexible Answer Extraction Code Issue Discussed: @hailey_schoelkopf shared an issue from GitHub titled "More Flexible Answer Extraction Code". The matter revolves around the current evaluation system which discredits answers that are correct but not in the required format. The issue creates a bias for models that are trained to mimic the benchmark formatting, thus disadvantaging equally capable models with nonstandard formatting.
Proposed Solution: @hailey_schoelkopf suggested a solution to have two evaluation scores for every relevant generative task. The first one (acc with strict postprocessing/extraction) would follow the original design of the task with precise formatting. The second one (acc with loose/flexible postprocessing) would attempt to extract the correct answer from the model's generation irrespective of the format. This solution aims to address complaints about tasks where different evaluation frameworks report varying scores due to their flexible answer extraction methodologies. The user has asked for feedback on this proposed solution from the community.

Links mentioned:

More Flexible Answer Extraction Code · Issue #1159 · EleutherAI/lm-evaluation-harness: In LM Evaluation Harness, we work to match the &qu...

▷ #multimodal-general (1 messages):

Introducing DiffusionLight: User @supasornaek shared a link to their introduction of DiffusionLight, a technique to estimate lighting from in-the-wild input images by inpainting a chrome ball into the image with diffusion models.
Detailed look into DiffusionLight: User @supasornaek also provided links to the DiffusionLight paper, its official page, and Hugging Face model.

Links mentioned:

Tweet from Supasorn Suwajanakorn (@supasornaek): Introducing DiffusionLight---a simple yet effectiv...

LangChain AI Discord Summary

Splitting Splitters, A Revolt: Issues arose with the RecursiveCharacterTextSplitter from the LangChain's text splitter module, causing users grief and cutting words in the middle. The sample code was run by user @offer.l with some suggested alternatives such as NLTKTextSplitter from @hasan_34148.
Missing in Action, the load_qa_chain: User @jupyter1310 sought missing API documentation for the elusive LangChain's load_qa_chain module.
GeneratorChainOptions, the Unwanted: User @menny9762 reported a strange, unwanted output from ConversationalRetrievalQAChain. The output generated was generatorChainOptions, not the expected response from the LangChain API. Talk about a conversation stopper!
LangChain Secret Weapon, not Secretive Enough: Assistance required on large text summarization using loadSummarizationChain in LangChain from user @agentcole. I guess it's not a secret weapon if you have to ask about it in a public channel!
Alttexter Steals the Show: @jonathan_09689 shared links to GitHub projects alttexter-ghclient and alttexter. These projects are utilized as a service to generate 'alt' text for images, strengthening the connection between code and image content.
Alttexter Makes an Entrance, Enhances Langchain Repo: The proof is in the pudding! @jonathan_09689 showcased Alttexter's value by running it on langchain-ai/langchain repo to update alt text across documentation. Clean up on documentation aisle 4!

LangChain AI Channel Summaries

▷ #general (27 messages🔥):

Text Splitter Troubles: User @offer.l had some issues with the RecursiveCharacterTextSplitter from the LangChain's text splitter module, noting that it doesn't 'down escalate' from double newline to newline, space, etc, thus cutting words in the middle and producing meaningless splits. They shared the sample code they were using. @hasan_34148 suggested using NLTKTextSplitter instead, adding that while he doesn't see RecursiveCharacterSplitter as faulty, it tends to cut words in the middle. @seththunder chimed in, mentioning that they've never had any issue using RecursiveCharacterSplitter.
Quest for load_qa_chain documentation: User @jupyter1310 sought help finding the API documentation for LangChain's load_qa_chain module, a class which they were unable to locate in the API docs but is commonly imported in various pages in the LangChain documentation.
Issues with ConversationalRetrievalQAChain: @menny9762 reported an issue with ConversationalRetrievalQAChain, where the return output was the generatorChainOptions instead of the real response. They even provided a code snippet to explain the issue in detail.
Summarizing Large Text in LangChain: User @agentcole sought advice to lengthen the output text length when using loadSummarizationChain for summarizing large text. @jupyter1310 suggested enforcing a minimum word count in the prompts. But @agentcole found the workaround of using previous steps in chunks for the summary still inconvenient.
LangChain Citation: User @thenextmz wanted to know if there was an official paper about LangChain that they could cite in their Master's Thesis.

Links mentioned:

text-split-explorer/splitter.py at main · langchain-ai/text-split-explorer: Contribute to langchain-ai/text-split-explorer dev...

Alttexter: GitHub Action Helps Create Alt Text for Images: User @jonathan_09689 shared links to two of his projects on GitHub - alttexter-ghclient and alttexter. Both projects function as a wrapper service for gpt4-vision-preview that can batch generate alternative text and title attributes for images defined in markdown formatted files.
Alttexter's Application in Langchain Repo: For demonstration purposes, @jonathan_09689 ran Alttexter over langchain-ai/langchain repo to showcase its value in updating alt text and title attributes across documentation.

Links mentioned:

GitHub - jonathanalgar/alttexter-ghclient: Containerized GitHub action for interacting with the alttexter service (gpt4-vision-preview wrapper): Containerized GitHub action for interacting with t...
GitHub - jonathanalgar/alttexter: gpt4-vision-preview wrapper service to batch generate alternative ('alt') text and title attributes for images defined in markdown formatted files.: gpt4-vision-preview wrapper service to batch gener...
Batch update of alt text and title attributes across documentation by jonathanalgar · Pull Request #15357 · langchain-ai/langchain: (Actions ran in jonathanalgar#3. Links to LangSmit...

LLM Perf Enthusiasts AI Discord Summary

LLM Performance Wrestling Match: Dissection of how different-sized Language Learning Models (LLMs), like Mistral 7b and GPT2 300m, perform after fine tuning on smaller datasets, initiated by @sehaj.dxstiny.
Fine Tuning Superpowers: User @thebaghdaddy underscoring the potential of smaller models to surpass bigger counterparts, like GPT4, in task-specific performance through fine tuning.
Tasks Change the Game: @pantsforbirds's anecdote exemplified task dependency in model performance, remarking that some models, like Mistral 7b, were easier to fine tune than others given the same setup.
Anyscale, Mistral's Partner in Crime: Praise for Anyscale's impact on the speed and consistency of Mistral model, as vaunted by @robotums.

LLM Perf Enthusiasts AI Channel Summaries

▷ #general (10 messages🔥):

LLM Performance Debate: User @sehaj.dxstiny sparked a discussion about whether a significantly larger language learning model (LLM) like Mistral 7b would perform better after fine tuning on a slightly smaller dataset, compared to a smaller model like GPT2 300m trained from scratch.
Power of Fine Tuning: @thebaghdaddy highlighted the ability of smaller models to excel past even GPT4 at specific tasks through fine tuning, though they perform worse on general benchmarks.
Essential Role of Tasks and Fine Tuning: User @pantsforbirds shared their experiences, suggesting that task dependency plays a major role. They found some models, like Mistral 7b, to be easier to fine tune compared to other similar models, using the same setup.

▷ #opensource (3 messages):

Anyscale: A Powerhouse for Mistral: @robotums states Anyscale significantly increases the speed and consistency of their Mistral model when compared to OpenAI's deployment.

DiscoResearch Discord Summary

Mixing Things Up with Mixtral: Insights into gate vectors, frankensteins, and the "punching above weight class" performance of the AI model Mixtral, from @jp1's shared blog post.
Axolotl Craze and Configurations: A general increase in Axolotl's popularity exemplified by @philipmay, @le_mess's inquiry into fast Fourier Transform (FFT) Axolotl YAML config for Mixtral, and @hammadkhan's provided solution using Axolotl YAML configuration.
Text Embedding Gets Synthetic Makeover: Research paper shared by @bjoernp introduces efficient, synthetic data-based text embeddings model claiming low training steps and potential compatibility with German leo-mistral.
Riding the Wave of End-to-End Training: @rasdani proposes the benefits of applying end-to-end training taken from Computer Vision in autonomous driving to large language models.
Digging Deeper into Embeddings: Conversation on model performance scaling initiated by @casper_ai, data efficiency and pretrained models brought up by @bjoernp, and a shared tool, huggingface/text-embeddings-inference, for fast inference solution for text embeddings by @le_mess.

DiscoResearch Channel Summaries

▷ #mixtral_implementation (5 messages):

Experiments with Mixtral: User @_jp1_ shared a blog post about some experiments using prompts to determine gate vectors and frankensteins by undi in the context of Mixtral, an AI model by Mistral. The post praises the use of a set of eight "experts" in Mixtral's architecture, claiming that the model "punches way above its weight class".
Twitter Post Highlighted: @sebastian.bodza highlighted an interesting Twitter post; however, the contents of the post are left undisclosed in this message.
Popularity of Axolotl: @philipmay made a remark about the increasing popularity of Axolotl, a model "tuning" tool.
Axolotl YAML Config Inquiry: @le_mess asked if anyone had an Axolotl YAML config for Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) for Mixtral.
Possible Solution Provided for YAML Config: In response to @le_mess, @hammadkhan suggested converting an existing Axolotl YAML configuration for use with Mixtral.

Links mentioned:

Mixture of Experts for Clowns (at a Circus)
axolotl/examples/llama-2/fft_optimized.yml at main · OpenAccess-AI-Collective/axolotl: Go ahead and axolotl questions. Contribute to Open...

▷ #general (7 messages):

Synthetic Data for Effective Text Embeddings: @bjoernp shared a research paper introducing a novel method for obtaining high-quality text embeddings using synthetic data and less than 1k training steps. The method does not rely on complex training pipelines and could be used to train a leo-mistral with German synthetic data.
LLMs and End-to-End Training: @rasdani stated that using large language models (LLMs) for each part of an application pipeline could be beneficial, drawing parallels to how Computer Vision in autonomous driving is shifting towards end-to-end training.
Checking Model Performance Scaling: @casper_ai raised a question on how the performance of other models might improve if they were scaled up 10 times, in response to the larger size of the discussed text embedding model.
Model Training Efficiency: @bjoernp pointed out that the key takeaway from the discussed research is about data efficiency and the ability to harness the strengths of pretrained models.
Generating Embedding Data: @le_mess noted their similar experience in generating an embedding dataset, where similar and dissimilar sentences were produced instead of queries. They also introduced the huggingface/text-embeddings-inference tool that provides a fast inference solution for text embeddings models.

Links mentioned:

Improving Text Embeddings with Large Language Models: In this paper, we introduce a novel and simple met...
GitHub - huggingface/text-embeddings-inference: A blazing fast inference solution for text embeddings models: A blazing fast inference solution for text embeddi...

Alignment Lab AI Discord Summary

Deciphering Inference Settings: Lingering confusion over inference settings was alleviated when @fred_fups confided to @rusch that their repetition penalty is set to 1.
Unexpected Tricky Prompt Formats: A puzzling issue with prompt formatting led @fred_fups to undertake retraining, with ChatML coming to the rescue and effectively resolving the problem.
Model Training Feud: The seemingly straightforward task of training a Mistral 7B model on a sample size of 350 ruffled some feathers when the model failed to adhere to the text formatting norms (paragraph breaks and keyword highlighting).
Model Performance Gets a Thumbs Down: @fred_fups left the community in shock when they announced that their together.ai trained model struggled to deliver, merely mirroring the input without any significant formatting alterations.
The Alluring Promise of Axolotl: In the wake of continued disappointments, @fred_fups decided to switch gears and declared their plans to leverage Axolotl for improved model training.
Embrace SOLAR 10.7B - The Arrival of Nous Hermes 2: Delivering a much-awaited update, @Teknium1 announced the grand debut of Nous Hermes 2 on SOLAR 10.7B, an intriguingly compact model promising a performance at par with the 'Yi' model, available at Nous-Hermes-2-SOLAR-10.7B.
A Llama-ntic Encounter with Python: @venadore kept the spirits high with their eccentric narrative of juggling Python and Llamacpp, serendipitously managing to get a function call to run perfectly, and shared a useful link to @Teknium1's tweet.

Alignment Lab AI Channel Summaries

▷ #ai-and-ml-discussion (7 messages):

Question on Inference Settings: User @rusch asked @fred_fups about their inference settings. User @fred_fups replied that their repetition penalty was set at 1.
Observations on Prompt Format and Model Retraining: @fred_fups shared that they have encountered an issue that seemed to be linked to prompt formatting. They stated that they retrained their model on ChatML, which seemed to resolve the issue.
Training a Model on Specific Examples: @fred_fups discussed their experience with training a Mistral 7B model on a limited sample of 350 examples. They expressed their confusion as the model failed to put paragraph breaks and highlight keywords as expected despite the task simplicity.
Confirmation of Model Performance: @fred_fups further stated that their model, trained using default settings on together.ai, did not perform as expected. The returned text was identical to the input without any formatting changes ('\n\n' or <b>).
Plan to Use Axolotl for Future Training: @fred_fups concluded the conversation by stating their intention to utilize Axolotl for future model training in hopes of better performance.

▷ #general-chat (4 messages):

Nous Hermes 2 released on SOLAR 10.7B: User @Teknium1 announced the release of Nous Hermes 2 on SOLAR 10.7B. The release promises performance similar to the 'Yi' model but is 1/3rd the size. The model is available on HuggingFace now: Nous-Hermes-2-SOLAR-10.7B.
Python Programming Gore with Llamacpp: User @venadore shared his experience playing around with Python and Llamacpp. After debugging a code test, he got the function call to work perfectly.

Links mentioned:

Tweet from Teknium (e/λ) (@Teknium1): Can't start the new year without shipping! 🛳️...

Latent Space Discord Summary

Small Talk Catches Attention: Members shared appreciation for Smol Talk, triggering questions about its open-source status for customization purposes as quoted, "enjoyment of Smol Talk and probed about potential open sourcing to customize server lists".
Fairmind AI Enters the Arena: Announcement of the co-founding of Fairmind AI, a new initiative leveraging generative AI solutions for competitive advantage.
Meet EmbedChain, the New Framework: Introduction of a new player in the field, EmbedChain, appreciated for its straightforward "drop in url" approach.
Humanloop Debuts .prompt File Format: Arrival of the innovative .prompt file format from Humanloop, capturing attention due to its human-readable model config file format ideal for version management systems with potential industry standardization.
Guild Members Seek AI Learning Pathways: Members seeking guidance on learning sequences for research papers to understand the current status of AI. Suggestions pointed towards the Nous research group's models and papers, though no specific details or references were provided.

Latent Space Channel Summaries

▷ #ai-general-chat (7 messages):

Excitement about Smol Talk: @onetothetwo expressed their enjoyment of Smol Talk and probed about potential open sourcing to customize server lists.
New AI Initiative, Fairmind AI: @alexio.c mentioned the co-founding of [http://www.fairmind.ai](Fairmind AI), a platform focusing on leveraging generative AI solutions wisely to remain competitive in the market.
New Framework Alert: @swyxio shares a new framework in the mix - EmbedChain that adopts a simple "drop in url" approach.
Human-Readable Model Config File Format from Humanloop: @swyxio highlighted an innovative .prompt file format from Humanloop - a serialized, human-readable version of a model config that's suitable for version control systems and which could potentially be standardized across the industry.

Links mentioned:

Homepage | FairMind.ai: We Empower Businesses - Unlocking the Transformati...
.prompt files

▷ #llm-paper-club (2 messages):

User Seeks Learning Sequence: @avirani asked for a recommended sequence of research papers to get up to speed with the current status of the field.
Nous Research Model Learning Sequence Mentioned: @swyxio mentioned a potentially useful model learning sequence and a list of papers from the Nous research group, without providing any specific detail or link to these materials.

Skunkworks AI Discord Summary

Warping Info with Quantum: Conversation around quantum information transfers via 'Bard' and 'ChatGPT Alpha' as brought up by Graylan (@gray00).
Programming Cetaceans: Humorous discussion by Graylan (@gray00) about whales coding Python, linked to a blog post about "AI Human Historical Fractal Memorization for Codenameorca" on hive.blog.
An Engineer's Cat-lection: Sharing of entertaining content—a cat GIF—by @gray00.
James Bond's Tech Break: A momentary diversion from techie talk provided by @gray00 with a GIF of Sean Connery as James Bond.
A Coded Message?: User teknium shares an obscure link on 'general' channel to a Twitter post with no accompanying explanation.

Skunkworks AI Channel Summaries

▷ #general (1 messages):

teknium: https://fxtwitter.com/teknium1/status/1742041640775348460?s=46

▷ #off-topic (4 messages):

Quantum Information Transfers: Graylan | @gray00 discussed about quantum information transfers between Bard and ChatGPT Alpha.
Animated Cat Content: A share of a cat GIF from @gray00.
Coding Whales: Graylan | @gray00 jests about whales coding in Python and links to an intriguing post about "AI Human Historical Fractal Memorization for Codenameorca" on hive.blog.
James Bond Smoking Scene: Another GIF shared by @gray00, featuring Sean Connery as James Bond.

Links mentioned:

Sean Connery James Bond GIF - Sean Connery James Bond Smokin - Discover & Share GIFs: Click to view the GIF
[AI/Human]Historical Fractal Memorization for #codenameorca — Hive
Cat GIF - Cat - Discover & Share GIFs: Click to view the GIF

Datasette/LLM (@SimonW) Discord Summary

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'bp' - a Cross-platform Clipboard Tool Highly Recommended: @ndyg enthusiastically endorsed a cross-platform clipboard tool named bp as one of their essentials.
bp to Clean Contexts for llm: @ndyg also explained a typical usage: bp | vipe | bp, usually followed by bp | llm -s '...' to clean up contexts for llm.
Other Users Showing Interest in bp: @bukits expressed interest in trying out bp, indicating they are a fan of clipboard tools.

Links mentioned:

GitHub - printfn/bp: Cross-platform clipboard tool: Cross-platform clipboard tool. Contribute to print...

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OpenAI Discord Summary

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HuggingFace Discord Discord Summary

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OpenAccess AI Collective (axolotl) Discord Summary

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Perplexity AI Discord Summary

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LM Studio Discord Summary

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Mistral Discord Summary

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Eleuther Discord Summary

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LangChain AI Discord Summary

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LLM Perf Enthusiasts AI Discord Summary

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DiscoResearch Discord Summary

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Alignment Lab AI Discord Summary

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Latent Space Discord Summary

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Skunkworks AI Discord Summary

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Datasette/LLM (@SimonW) Discord Summary